Ambiguity in Tateh


So in Ragtime, there’s obviously a lot of weird moral ambiguities – Coalhouse’s murder crusade & our very favorite stalker, Younger Brother, stand as prime examples. But weirdly enough, the character whose development I had the most trouble swallowing was actually Tateh.
Tateh’s storyline seems to be one of the tamer, more traditionally inspiring parts of the book. He fits into the American “metafictions” of the immigrant who raises himself to high society, and that of the self-made man. He’s consistently devoted to his daughter throughout the book, putting himself in danger to protect her. His drive to succeed comes from a hope that she will have a better life – “He wanted to drive from her memory every tenement stretch and filthy immigrant street. He would buy her light and sun and clean wind of the ocean for the rest of her life” – which is also a quintessential story for a new immigrant family. When he joins the movie business, we are left assuming he will succeed and that his dreams for his daughter will come true. And finally, his marriage to Mother implies that this new “20th century family” will have a better chance for happiness then the 19th century models we begin the novel with.
But despite all that, I still found myself with a bit of a sour taste in my mouth at the end of the novel in regards to his storyline. First and foremost, there is the character of Mameh. Tateh’s wife who only appears in a single chapter – the same chapter where Tateh is described as a drifting, never-profitable peddler. For this chapter, she is supporting the family by herself. This uneducated, vulnerable woman allows herself to be sexually assaulted and raped because she doesn’t know another way to protect her family. And in return, Tateh – another man in her life with absolute power over her – throws her out to die. Mameh simply disappears – Tateh is said to mourn her like the dead, and honestly, he does just seem to be waiting for her die. That’s kind of horrifying.
There’s a similar moment in Tateh’s relationship with Evelyn – when Emma Goldman reveals her as the center of the Thaw/White scandal, Tateh is disgusted to be associating with another sexually impure woman. He says his life is desecrated by whores, and storms out. He hurts Evelyn, by taking away the only part of her life that mattered, and he hurts his daughter, again, ripping away another mother figure. Tateh’s traditionalist views about woman and purity are hurtful to Evelyn and utterly horrifying when in practice against Mameh, and it left me a little uncomfortable leaving Tateh as Mother’s husband. It’s a part of his character we never see him address or change (remember, he is still referring to Mameh as dead even in Atlantic City), and so his happily-ever-after marriage feels a little hollow.
A second part of Tateh’s character I had trouble swallowing is actually his joining the movie business. Even though it’s clear that he will profit and his daughter will have a better life, the message that this ending sends is weird. Is it an uplifting message, that anyone can build themselves the future they want? Is it a pro-American message, that even the poor immigrant can succeed in the land of opportunity because yay capitalism? Or is it a deeply uncomfortable message, where the socialist and the social reform advocator becomes disillusioned with labor strikes and the will of the people, choosing instead to “sell out” in Hollywood, turning his art into a capitalist enterprise? Tateh certainly has no interest left for the plight of the average worker – he’s sauntering around Atlantic City without a care in the world. This is a far cry from the Emma-Goldman-following socialist we see in the early chapters with Evelyn.
Whose side is Doctorow taking here? Are we supposed to like Tateh? Are we supposed to like how he treated Mameh? How he treated Evelyn? How he loses his will to fight for the common man and literally reinvents himself as part of the nobility? Are we supposed to believe in Tateh and Mother’s happily-ever-after, or are we meant to be left in uncertainty?

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  1. I was upset when tateh kicked out mameh. A theme in ragtime is women getting punished for their sexuality (like evelyn and her reduced divorce settlement because of her affair). However, I do not look too harshly on tateh. He was very bound to traditional religious practices and i don't think he wanted to do what he did. I found his transformation unbelievable too. He got younger! He also got kind of weird and admittedly it felt a little phony but I like to believe he transformed and changed his ways and wouldn't have kicked mameh out if he knew then what he had learned. Past is in the past am i right

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  2. I too was extremely perturbed by his treatment of Mameh and it frankly spoiled my perception of his character for the rest of the book. While he certainly has admirable qualities and eventually shows himself to be a kind and loving husband and father, he is not completely separate from the climate of the day which suppressed and disenfranchised women.

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  3. I think Tateh's actions are completely different from the beginning and end of Ragtime because his environment influences his actions and what he think is a correct at the time. You mentioned Mameh getting kicked out, which I agree was very wrong and disturbing, but that was the only way that Tateh knew how to react, it could've been a cultural thing where that's how women were treated in his original country. At the end he's more open, especially by marrying Mother, and that shows that he grew as a person and that others around him found it acceptable, so he also accepted it.

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  4. Tateh's one of my favorite characters in the novel, partly because of his complexities. It's definitely hard for me to move past how he treated Mameh and his reaction to finding out Evelyn Nesbitt's identity. I find his move to the movies far more forgivable, however. I don't see it as selling out, but finding a way to support his daughter in the way that he could. Additionally, I think there is something to be said for art forms as worthy political tools - after all, his idea for a movie inspired by his children is radical for the time. I also don't think the mass production devalues Tateh's art in any way. However, these are my personal opinions, and I find it unclear and difficult to interpret what Doctorow thinks about him.

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  5. I think that a common thread between all of the instances you describe here is Tateh's inability to follow through with commitment when hard times hit. Instead of working through his issues with Mameh and Evelyn or letting them tell their side of the story, he shuts them out. Similarly with his socialist ties, he leaves the party behind upon the first significant resistance he faces. I think he's just a morally weak man who has a hard time fully dedicating himself fully to anything.

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  6. Personally, I liked Tateh at the end of the book just as much as I liked him at the beginning, but for different reasons. At the beginning, Tateh is struggling to survive, but he still fights for what he thinks is right by supporting the socialist movement. When he strikes it rich with movie making he is able to continue to make a social impact, but doesn't have to work nearly as hard to make it, nor should he be expected to work as hard. Tateh makes films that support diversity and inclusion, we should not fault him for changing his focus if he is still making a positive impact.

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  7. I honestly have no idea. I find the argument that Tateh is selling out to be compelling as well as the argument that this is an uplifting success story. I appreciate you pointing out his treatment of Nesbit. I wish we got more into gender roles and sexuality in our class discussions. I think a lot of Doctorows point with Nesbit, Thaw etc was to work in this sensational "real" history but there are so many interesting questions about Doctorow's depiction of gender and sex that come along.

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  8. I do think that we're supposed to be uncomfortable. We've seen someone make it big, achieve the American Dream, and then Doctorow shows us the people who the kind, lovable Baron Ashkenazy tossed aside on his way to achieving success. We see the people he hurt through his Old World traditionalism, and at the same time we see him throw it all away for a tiny bit of branding in the New America. We see his dream of an equal future turn into Little Rascals instead. And so yes, Doctorow wants us to be unhappy and disturbed with the options we have. And I think he wants us to try to look for something better.

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  9. I think I mentioned in class (was it your section?) that, while the brief account of Mameh's story is deeply disturbing, it's being used in part to characterize just what an adversarial environment this Lower East Side economy really was--Mameh is literally unable to perform any honest work without encountering explicit and flagrant quid pro quo sexual harassment. Remember that the little girl is literally *tied to* Tateh when Evelyn first meets them, and a bystander explains that it's because little girls are stolen and sold into sexual slavery all the time in this neighborhood. Tateh's unsympathetic and cruel dismissal of his wife for bringing shame onto his household is deeply offensive to us, but at the same time, it accurately reflects his "old world" sensibilities and the fact that he's operating within a cultural context that would indeed interpret Mameh as "ruined" for succumbing to the boss's advances.

    Structurally, there is a parallel wherein Tateh must get rid of his nineteenth-century wife in order to progress into the twentieth-century filmmaker Baron Ashkenazy identity, just as Mother needs to unload her nineteenth-century husband before she can move out west and form a new identity as the matriarch of a multicultural/multiracial family.

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